As a sports fan in New York, I feel that one has to adopt a policy of under-reaction. New Yorkers live in a passionate sports city. We also live in one of the great media centers of the world. If it can pass for news, it will run. We experience all of our news media the way much of the US experiences the Internet. TV, talk radio, newspapers…etc, if its deals with New York sports we are on it, and in most cases people are overreacting. Some examples:
Joba Chamberlain had some shaky spring training outings…..in his first two starts of the spring. This got the NY media buzzing. The struggles didn’t come in game action, or even in a real spring session (6 innings or so). His velocity was down in the little BS 1-2 inning starts that all pitchers go through when they are working their arm back into shape. However, you wouldn’t know it from reading the media reports. The same goes for Johan Santana’s health with the Mets. It should raise people’s interest when a multi-million dollar pitcher who is the ace of the team has some arm trouble. However, the panic that set in among writers and pundits was unbelievable. People were writing the Mets off before first week of March.
I understand that we live in a city with a fiercely competitive media market; where the eyes and ears of millions of fans are up for grabs. Unfortunately, I believe that this competition is responsible for a good degree of sensationalism in our sports coverage, where small things are blown entirely out of proportion.
People may scoff at the notion in other parts of the country, but I am convinced that being an athlete in New York is entirely different than playing anywhere else. Sure there are other passionate cities, and sure there are teams that play in other media markets. However, I would contend that there is nowhere else in the sports world where such a perfect storm exists. That is why I have adopted a policy of under-reaction toward just about everything I read, hear, and view.
March 18, 2009 at 10:42 am |
From Ken Rosenthal:
“Twice, Jeter failed to stop balls to his left that Rollins might have at least knocked down, and both led directly to runs.
If Team USA had not secured its dramatic 6-5 victory over Puerto Rico by staging a three-run rally in the ninth inning, Jeter’s defense would have come under heavy scrutiny.
Jeter, who turns 35 on June 26, is 4 1/2 years older than Rollins. His defensive decline is not exactly a secret within the industry; the sabermetric community, in particular, has pointed out his inadequacies.
Defense, however, remains difficult to measure, even with today’s advanced metrics. A number of variables contribute to whether a fielder makes a play, and even Tuesday night, such was the case with Jeter.
In the sixth inning, Puerto Rico had runners on first and second, trailing 3-2. If Jeter had knocked down Alex Rios’ grounder through the middle, he perhaps could have prevented the tying run from scoring. Instead, Rios wound up with an RBI single.
“That was a slider,” Jeter said, referring to the pitch by right- hander Heath Bell to Rios, a right-handed hitter. “He usually pulls sliders. I’ve played against him enough. He usually gets out in front of sliders in that situation.”
In the ninth, with Puerto Rico leading, 4-3, Ramon Vazquez batted against right-hander Jonathan Broxton with one out and Rios on second. Jeter got his glove on Vazquez’s grounder up the middle, but the ball squirted out into center field, enabling Rios to score.
Jeter did not count on Vazquez, a left-handed hitter, getting around on Broxton’s fastball.
“I was just trying to knock it down,” Jeter said. “The bottom line in that situation is that Broxton throws so hard, you can’t shade him up the middle. He can hit the ball the other way, so you’ve gotta play straight up.”
Jeter actually improved on balls to his left last season, according to the plus-minus ratings on Bill James Online. Those ratings, however, ranked Rollins as the top defensive shortstop in the majors. Jeter ranked 31st.
Johnson’s stock line is that he is as comfortable with Jeter at short as he is with Rollins. It will be difficult for Johnson to continue taking that stand after Tuesday night.
The last thing anyone wants to do is embarrass Jeter, who deserves respect and appreciation for both his distinguished career and his participation in the WBC.
Rollins, though, is the better defensive shortstop.
If Team USA wants to win, Rollins needs to play.”
The reason for this comment other than to point out what is obvious to every non-Yankee fan who follows baseball, is I am curious what your take is as to what the Yanks should do about Jeter next year when his contract is up.
March 18, 2009 at 11:10 am |
Eh, show me a stat on contributions to losses based on his glove vs contributions to games won with the bat.
March 18, 2009 at 11:17 am |
I doubt that there is such a stat. But without DW’s clutch hit, last night might have been one such loss.
But the question remains: You are the Yankee GM, it is 2010, Jeter is 36 and fading fast, but he is a Yankee (and baseball) icon closing in on 3000 hits, and you can’t move him to first or third where he belongs b/c you have Tex and A-Rod, and he asks u for 4 years, 80 million, what do you do? How long do u continue to play him at short? And where would you move him if you decide to keep him?
Tough decisions facing this team in a year and a half.
March 18, 2009 at 11:23 am |
Also, does being in position to make the easy play count as much as ranging and making the difficult play. Look at something like basketball: young guys leap to the rafters, old men rely on being in position for the rebound and boxing you man out. Jeter had a reason for his positioning on both plays.
I am not going to promote his as a stellar fielder these days. I really don’t think anyone does, or has recently. The excuse of “I just get tired of all the Yankee fans who think this guy is a great fielder” as a reason for constantly knocking Jeter doesn’t hold water. Who are these mysterious fans? Yankee fans, at least the one’s I know, don’t think of Jeter as a superb fielder. To continually beat the drum about how bad he is as a fielder does not accomplish much, because it is once again a narrow-focus view of a team sport. Jeter’s fielding has not cost the Yankees wins, in my view. Maybe you can produce some evidence to the contrary, but the difference between the 1996-2001 teams and the teams of recent years is pitching, not Jeter diving to his left.
March 18, 2009 at 11:30 am |
Ah the infamous “clutch”, which Jeter gets no credit for, except among those ignorant Yankee fans and blowhard announcers.
How about Beltran’s play? Sheff was a monster with the bat, but the longer Beltran goes on, the more he looks like the right guy to have signed in retrospect.
In my opinion, they will keep him on a bit too long at short, then outfield or third with alex moving somewhere.
March 18, 2009 at 11:41 am |
Beltran makes it look so easy, doesn’t he? And that’s why he so under-appreciated.
But I didn’t mean to start a jeter-bashing thread. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him. A player can be both great and overrated. Just curious as to what u think the Yanks should do with him.
March 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
Give him a little more time at short than is prudent, then maybe a Cal move to third. A-Rod has big money, and isn’t going anywhere. He could play the OF on 2013.
March 18, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
But how much $? Don’t see Jeter swallowing his pride and taking a big paycut. But can’t see him in a different uniform either. He makes more than $20m per now. Would you give him 4/80 at age 36? That’s a lot of dough for the offensive production you’re gonna get from him at 37-40 years old, playing either third or left. He will be a replacement level player at best at that age, at those positions.
As for the position change, that’s what hurt about the Tex deal. You needed Tex’s bat now, but when it comes time to move A-Rod and/or Jeter, first base will be occupied. That A-Rod contract, by the way, will be a complete albatross. Eight more years after this year for a 33 year old infielder, who already has a bad hip. Paying him 27.5 (plus incentives) when he is 38 or 39 and he’s nothing more than an average player is going to hurt.
March 19, 2009 at 9:08 am |
On second thought, WARP calculates a player’s value based on both offense and defense — it either adds or subtracts for defense (unlike VORP, which is purely offensive). Jeter’s WARP last year was 2.5. meaning that the Yankees won 2.5 more games because they had Jeter at shortstop than a mythical “replacement player.” For comparison sakes, Jed Lowrie was 2.0, Orlando Cabrera was 2.4, and Ryan Theriot was 2.8. So, in theory at least, if Ryan Theriot was your shortstop last year instead of Jeter, the Yanks would have won .3 more games.
But of course, WARP is limited to defensive and offensive abilities. It doesn’t measure intangibles such as leadership ability and clutchiness.
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March 19, 2009 at 9:49 am |
I went onto baseball prospectus, and for 2008- Jeter is 4.4 WARP 1, and 5.3 on WARP 2 and 3?
The WARP stat that places the exact same value on Mike Mussina and Johan Santana in 2008.
Where did you go?
March 19, 2009 at 10:26 am |
Baseball Prospectus on my nightstand lists only one WARP for each player, and the only WARP for Jeter for 2008 was 2.5.
March 19, 2009 at 10:29 am |
just googled derek jeter and warp and found this from baseball prospectus which confirmed a warp of 2.5 last year down from 3.5 in 07:
February 4, 2009
Captain, Oh Captain
Prestige, D, and Derek Jeter
by Christina Kahrl
One area in which the present really shouldn’t compare poorly with the past is in legend-making. However much how the story gets told might be different, we still have heroes on the diamond whose reputations transcend what they do and how well. Nowhere is that more apparent than in the case of “The Captain,” obvious Yankee great Derek Jeter, future Hall of Famer.
A long-running debate over Jeter’s virtues as a defender has been a basic touchstone of the sabermetric landscape for almost as long as Jeter has been a major leaguer, and assessments of his value with the glove mark one of the most startlingly specific divisions between analysts and scouts, between performance and anecdotal observation, between documented statistical evidence and reputation. In his prime, the argument was relatively pointless, as Jeter’s tremendous position-relative value helped power the last Yankees dynasty. When Jeter was able to provide a Wins Above Replacement mark of 6.9—a mark that includes his defense—as recently as 2006, the debate was puerile, if not downright academic. Ask any GM if he’d like a seven-win player at shortstop, and he’ll say yes. Players this good, statistically or in the flesh, don’t grow on trees.
However, with Jeter’s WARP down to 3.5 in 2007 and 2.5 last season, and with his overall offensive contributions coming down from MVP-worthy to “merely” very good, especially in the power department, we start getting into questions over whether or not his recent decline as a defender might really re-spark the question of whether or not Jeter really belongs at short, or if the Yankees might not be better off putting him at another position. While the arguments over how descriptive and effective different contemporary defensive metrics are rage for good reason, their near unanimity on The Captain’s limitations should be damning. Clay Davenport’s new play-by-play metric that debuts in this year’s edition of the BP annual sees Jeter’s work with leather costing the Yankees 18 runs in 2007, and another 12 in 2008. John Dewan’s Plus/Minus system from the Bill James Handbook rates Jeter the worst shortstop in total Plus/Minus of the last three years. Other metrics have seen his fielding value move around a bit, but what they have to say about Jeter’s leather work is rarely complimentary. On a scouting level, as strong-armed as he is, his range afield has become an obvious issue, just as it did for Cal Ripken in his mid-30s.
The problem with suggesting such a thing, of course, is that playing shortstop for the Yankees has become a thing of celebrity unimagined in the days of Alvaro Espinoza or Bucky Dent or Gene Michael, and that’s because Jeter has been so good for so long that there shouldn’t be any question that he’s the best shortstop in the history of the franchise. This association of a high-profile player—indeed, a celebrity ballplayer in his own right—with his position is seen as a major factor militating against even suggesting that Jeter move to some other spot on the field.
Where this over-developed sense of some slight being associated with recognizing the obvious and moving a great player to another position came from, I don’t know. The recent controversy over the Rangers asking Gold Glove winner Michael Young to move from short to third in camp this spring makes it clear that players of lesser stature than Jeter can, after all, be asked by their teams to do something that fits within the ballclub’s long-term planning. If prestige associated with position is the problem, since when did playing center field for the Yankees become an indignity? What, Mickey Mantle or Joe DiMaggio or Bernie Williams were nobodies playing nowhere? Perhaps only until very recently, center field in the Big Apple used to be baseball’s highest high-profile piece of real estate, going back for generations.
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March 19, 2009 at 10:37 am |
Just did a quick search, warp II takes in level of competition and “normalizes defense”, meaning less emphasis on d than the main WARP number I quoted, which is the only WARP number B.P. publishes in its annual.
How did you got to B.P.? Are you a member? Another stat which takes into account defense is win shares by hardball times. I recall that Beltran did very well last year b/c he had a great defensive season.
March 19, 2009 at 10:41 am |
Here’s the top 50 last year in win shares. Jeter nowhere to be found. Beltran 3rd, Reyes 9th, DW 10th. A-Rod, Damon and Abreu on the list for the Yanks.
HT Win Shares
Year Last First Tm Lg Pos Batting Pitching Fielding ExpWS WSP WSAB Total WS desc arrow CWS
2008 Berkman L HOU NL 1B 35.0 0.0 2.6 18 1.024 25 38 247
2008 Pujols A STL NL 1B 33.0 0.0 2.1 17 1.015 23 35 286
2008 Beltran C NYN NL OF 26.1 0.0 6.5 19 .852 19 33 253
2008 Ramirez H FLA NL SS 27.2 0.0 5.3 19 .876 20 32 86
2008 Mauer J MIN AL C 22.0 0.0 9.2 17 .944 20 31 113
2008 Utley C PHI NL 2B 23.2 0.0 6.6 19 .767 16 30 126
2008 Youkilis K BOS AL 1B 25.1 0.0 3.6 16 .873 17 29 29
2008 Morneau J MIN AL 1B 27.0 0.0 1.9 19 .776 16 29 94
2008 Reyes J NYN NL SS 24.1 0.0 4.9 20 .713 15 29 116
2008 Wright D NYN NL 3B 25.8 0.0 3.3 20 .733 15 29 29
2008 Sizemore G CLE AL OF 24.4 0.0 3.8 19 .734 15 28 114
2008 Lincecum T SF NL SP -0.6 28.2 0.0 11 1.307 22 27 34
2008 Hamilton J TEX AL OF 24.9 0.0 2.2 17 .788 15 27 40
2008 McLouth N PIT NL OF 24.3 0.0 3.0 18 .755 15 27 42
2008 Kinsler I TEX AL 2B 23.5 0.0 2.4 15 .895 16 26 55
2008 Ludwick R STL NL OF 22.7 0.0 3.7 17 .787 15 26 43
2008 Gonzalez A SD NL 1B 24.2 0.0 2.1 19 .687 13 26 72
2008 Pedroia D BOS AL 2B 18.8 0.0 7.6 19 .698 13 26 45
2008 Lee C CLE AL SP -0.5 26.0 0.0 12 1.065 20 25 60
2008 Rodriguez A NYA AL 3B 21.0 0.0 4.6 16 .826 15 25 407
2008 Damon J NYA AL OF 23.2 0.0 2.0 15 .818 14 25 257
2008 Ethier A LAN NL OF 21.7 0.0 3.5 17 .764 14 25 51
2008 Ramirez A CHN NL 3B 21.4 0.0 3.6 18 .708 13 25 169
2008 Uggla D FLA NL 2B 20.4 0.0 4.7 17 .739 13 25 64
2008 Markakis N BAL AL OF 22.3 0.0 2.8 18 .706 13 25 60
2008 Howard R PHI NL 1B 23.8 0.0 1.6 19 .660 12 25 94
2008 Braun R MIL NL OF 21.0 0.0 4.1 18 .688 12 25 47
2008 Jones C ATL NL 3B 21.6 0.0 2.4 14 .836 14 24 353
2008 Guerrero V LAA AL OF 21.8 0.0 2.6 15 .834 14 24 302
2008 Quentin C CHA AL OF 21.3 0.0 2.8 15 .798 14 24 36
2008 Soto G CHN NL C 14.6 0.0 9.0 16 .758 13 24 27
2008 Abreu B NYA AL OF 21.7 0.0 2.4 18 .672 12 24 301
2008 Rollins J PHI NL SS 18.1 0.0 5.6 17 .702 12 24 184
2008 Upton B TB AL OF 16.9 0.0 6.7 17 .700 12 24 53
2008 Delgado C NYN NL 1B 21.7 0.0 2.4 19 .648 11 24 305
2008 Halladay R TOR AL SP -0.1 23.6 0.0 13 .890 17 23 152
2008 Lee C HOU NL OF 21.2 0.0 2.3 13 .892 14 23 195
2008 Huff A BAL AL DH 22.0 0.0 1.1 14 .831 13 23 121
2008 DeRosa M CHN NL 2B 18.2 0.0 5.1 17 .708 12 23 78
2008 DeJesus D KC AL OF 19.1 0.0 3.7 15 .754 12 23 80
2008 Holliday M COL NL OF 21.5 0.0 2.0 17 .695 12 23 104
2008 Ibanez R SEA AL OF 21.7 0.0 1.6 18 .646 11 23 150
2008 Fielder P MIL NL 1B 21.9 0.0 1.1 19 .602 10 23 70
2008 Webb B ARI NL SP -0.8 22.3 0.0 11 1.022 16 22 114
2008 Doumit R PIT NL C 18.4 0.0 3.6 12 .897 13 22 37
2008 Hunter T LAA AL OF 15.7 0.0 6.7 16 .697 11 22 159
2008 Pena C TB AL 1B 19.9 0.0 2.4 16 .698 11 22 93
2008 Glaus T STL NL 3B 17.7 0.0 4.3 17 .630 10 22 180
2008 Giles B SD NL OF 20.0 0.0 1.9 18 .619 10 22 296
2008 Winn R SF NL OF 17.4 0.0 4.5 18 .611 9 22 22
March 19, 2009 at 10:44 am |
Just realized, Delgado on the list as well. And for the record, Beltran had a sick year defensive for sabermetric purposes b/c he had no left fielder next to him for the entire year and no right fielder for 1/2 the year. In other words, Danny Murphy and fernando tatis never called him off and let him catch everything he could run down.
March 19, 2009 at 11:26 am |
First of all, you been rocking some of those greenies you are so quick to defend? 5 big comments in a row
This is where I went: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=431613
This has Jeter the 7th SS in VORP:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=314858
“But I didn’t mean to start a jeter-bashing thread.” The subtle approach is the same as the overt in the end. I really don’t feel the need to defend the value of Jeter as a ball player, and i haven’t touted him as a great fielder. I’m happy to have him, and think many fans would be too. Call it a cop out if you want, but I think this sabremetric stuff is overrated.
What I also can’t figure out is how having three of the top ten win share guys makes any difference on a team that chokes its way out of the playoffs.
March 19, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
VORP does not include defense. It is offense only. You wanted a stat that includes defense and offense. WARP is your stat.
The Mets did not choke last year. They had the worse bullpen in baseball. If you sent me out to pitch to a major league hitter, would i be a choker when he takes me yard? No. I would just suck. The Mets just needed to surround their big 3 with better players. Hopefully, with the addition of Putz and k-Rod, a healthy Church and Castillo, and a full year of Murphy in left, they have done so. The win share totals just confirms that the talk in the NY media of breaking up the big 3 was beyond stupid. They were not the problem. It was the supporting cast, particularly the bullpen. You can make a strong argument on behalf of each of the big 3 that he is the best player at his position in baseball, especially DW.
March 19, 2009 at 1:49 pm |
So is my WARP link wrong?
March 19, 2009 at 2:12 pm |
Here is his player card from your link. Note WARP of 2.5. This mirrors the publication I have. I really don’t know what the WARP I, II, and II shit is all about. I’ve always just looked at WARP in the publication, and that is what I quoted this morning.
Derek Jeter
New York Yankees [ Team Audit ] [ Depth Chart ]
Shortstop
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Age 35
6′ 3″
195 lbs.
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Year Tm Lg PA R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS EqBRR AVG OBP SLG MLVr AVG OBP SLG EqA VORP Defense WARP
2006 NYA MLB 715 118 39 3 14 97 69 102 34 5 1.2 .343 .417 .483 .205 .329 .409 .470 .310 82.3 145-SS -2 6.9
2007 NYA MLB 714 102 39 4 12 73 56 100 15 8 2.2 .322 .388 .452 .135 .316 .384 .457 .289 48.7 147-SS -18 3.5
2008 NYA MLB 668 88 25 3 11 69 52 85 11 5 1.0 .300 .363 .408 .029 .298 .365 .413 .273 34.1 141-SS -12 2.5
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March 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm |
I just searched for Jeter on the WARP link you provided. He came in 202nd place last year. Right behind Rynan Doumit and just ahead of Brendan Harris. I’ll therefore concede that he is no worse than the 202nd best payer in baseball.
March 19, 2009 at 3:08 pm |
So what is the overall thrust of your argument? Derek Jeter is not a good fielder? The Yankees would be better off with someone else at the position? Ryan Doumit is slightly better than Derek Jeter as a baseball player?
I am really not sure what you are going for. Your feelings about Jeter are well documented, here and elsewhere. In the article you included, the author mentions that an argument about Jeter’s value “as recently as 2006 the debate was puerile, if not downright academic.” Yet a strong 2007 with the bat (where he offensively outperformed your vaunted Jose Reyes), brings his value down that much? 2008, one merely decent year in an outstanding career, means its time to write him off or lump him with Doumit and Harris?
If your intention was to list a bunch of sabermetric stats to essentially prove the point of my post concerning underreaction, then congrats. I’m not jumping out the window because of 1 year, where his defense cost the Yankees “12 runs”.
March 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
Maybe you can puzzle me out a stat where an OPS of .715, a .243 average, and season low totals in runs and hits during the month of September during a pennant race can be made up for with defense.
March 19, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
My point of yesterday’s post was that Jeter’s really starting to show his age, and the Yanks are going to have a really tough decision to make after next season. Watching that WBC game the other night wherein he looked particularly slow of foot in the field, I was thinking I would not want him at shortstop on my team right now, let alone two years from now. And as for your Cal Ripken comparison yesterday, and for the record, I mocked Ripken’s defense all through high school, college and law school, and he remains by far, in my opinion, the most overrated player in baseball history. Believe it or not, I was much harder on him than Jeter. I joked as early as 91 or 92 that if he breaks Gehrig’s record, they will have to name a disease after him. Cal Ripken’s disease would be the lack of any vertical movement. But I digest. (Peter Griffin quote).
You then asked for a stat that would encompass both defense and offense. I gave you WARP, which showed Jeter to be really bad last year, but really good a mere two years earlier. So, I guess the thrust is that he’s not really helping your team much anymore while playing short, because his offense is no longer good enough to compensate for his increasingly declining defense, and that the Yanks better think long and hard before re-upping him in 2010. He can’t play third because of A-Rod, he can’t play first because of Tex, and his bat will not play in left. What to do?
As for my feelings about Jeter being well documented, I repeat that he is a hall of fame player for whom I have the utmost respect, and I wish he had come up with the Mets. Like Cal Ripken, a great player who is about one-half as great as people say, but great just the same. But he is no longer playing at anything close to superstar level, and he should not be playing shortstop anymore.
Man, I am so ready for baseball season, and dying for my fantasy draft. Ask your aunt, I have the Baseball Prospectus, Baseball Forecaster and Hardball Times Season Preview rotating back and forth from my nightstand to my bathroom for the past month or so. I probably know more about the Mets farm system than Omar. I’m pretty well-versed on the Yanks as well. For example, and without looking this up, I know that Melencon pitched 95 innings last year over three levels, which was an exorbitantly high number for a young relief pitcher recovering from arm problems. I also know that Montero is a hitting machine, who has zero chance of making it as a catcher due to his size and defensive shortcomings. Man, I am such a loser.
March 20, 2009 at 8:24 am |
Fair enough, though I really have to disagree that he “really isnt helping (my) team much anymore while playing short”.
I think the whole sabremetric thing is short sighted, in light of the contracts delivered to players. VORP, or WARP, assumes that is an option. You can’t look at a player with a 6 year deal, and then imagine what affect there would be in year 3 of that deal if a theoretical replacement player, who doesn’t exist appart from a mathematical aggregate of player data. Durability, “clutchness”, clubhouse effect, “peskiness”, team performance, off-field issues…etc, are not factored in to this theory.
I’d be very curious to see how other players whose career numbers mirror what Jeter’s figure to be, would stand up to the scrutiny he is receiving. I think Cal is overrated too, and think Jeter is a far superior player.
March 20, 2009 at 9:02 am |
Jeter is better than Cal. Jeter was a legitimate shortstop, just not a particularly good one, and a .315 hitter. Cal was a third baseman playing short. Put Cal at third, and his stats don’t look so special.
March 20, 2009 at 9:25 am |
just grabbed some Yankee/Met tix for the stadium on 6/13. you should try to go. Also, let me know if you want to get some for Yanks Mets at Citi, i’d be down.
March 20, 2009 at 10:39 am |
Surprised they were available. Figured they were holding them for partial plans. That weekend is probably when Lizzy has a dance recital.
I’m in on a 15 game plan — 6 guys, 4 seats. Going to the second home game, which they use to call “Opening Day Two” and have Rodney Dangerfield throw out the first pitch. This year, they have asked Obama to throw out for Opening Day II because it’s Jackie Robinson Day. He hasn’t committed yet. Might not be wise for him to go to bailout park right now. I also got tickets for a May weekend game to bring Lizzy. Promised her we would get there early and find our brick.
Big Pelf looking sharp yesterday. I am stunned at how little hype and excitement there is for this guy.
March 20, 2009 at 11:06 am |
When is your son going to his first professional sporting event? Mets? Giants?
i got jobbed on my plan, which seems to be par for the course with the new stadium. They didnt plan this well at all. With all that being said, I jumped on seats as soon as I could get em. All reports have it as a phenomenal ballpark.
March 20, 2009 at 11:45 am |
The plan we got has 9 weekday games and 6 weekend games. So each of the six guys will go to 6 weekday games and will take all four tickets to one weekend game. So, I’ll be taking the family to one weekend game, just haven’t worked it out among us as to which game yet.
It wasn’t bad planning by the Yanks, they were just being complete pigs with the tickets and screwing over the partial plan holders. The Mets were pigs as well, but not as bad. I’m in the upper deck right behind home (section 516), 10 tickets for $280.00. Not too bad. And upper deck at the new stadium is like a mezzanine box at Shea. It’s pretty small, and the sight lines are going to be excellent. If you got to Mets.com and go to citifield, you can hit any section and see your view from the seats. It’s pretty cool.